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  • Feb. 15th, 2006 at 11:04 AM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4714992.stm

Health campaigners have welcomed a vote paving the way for a ban on smoking in all pubs, clubs and restaurants in England from the summer of 2007.
Deborah Arnott, of anti-smoking group Ash, said she was "amazed" and "very delighted" by the Commons decision.

MPs voted on Tuesday by a margin of 200 votes to impose a ban on smoking in all enclosed spaces, despite months of wrangling over the issue.

Opponents say the ban is an infringement of civil liberties.

Hotel rooms exempt

Labour MPs were given a free vote amid fears they could rebel against plans to exempt private clubs and non-food pubs.

The total ban will extend to all enclosed areas except private homes, residential care homes, hospitals, prisons and hotel bedrooms.

Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt said the change would "save thousands of people's lives".

However, many MPs opposed an outright ban on civil liberties grounds.

Cancer Research UK said it was the biggest step forward in public health for half a century while the British Heart Foundation described the decision as "the best possible Valentine's gift from MPs to bar workers".

Public health minister Caroline Flint told BBC News the ban would lead to a cultural change in England.

"We have this huge opportunity and we have got to make it work - to encourage more people to give up smoking, but also to create a different culture," she said.

Earlier, Ms Flint said fines for failing to stop people smoking in restricted areas would go up by more than 10 times from £200 to £2,500.

'Street smoking'

Simon Clark, director of smoking support group Forest, conceded that the pro-smoking lobby had "lost the battle but not necessarily the war".

"People will continue to smoke and the idea that people are all going to give up smoking simply because they can't smoke in a pub is nonsense," he told BBC News.


"But one of the problems with the ban when it comes in, will be that people will move into the street, they'll smoke more at home, and it could end up being counter-productive."

Chris Ogden, director of trade and industry affairs at the Tobacco Manufacturers Association, expressed his "disappointment" at the decision.

"It goes against the government's own manifesto commitment," he told BBC Radio Five Live.

"The fact is that many thousands, millions of adults will choose to smoke on an informed basis and we will continue to serve that market both domestically and globally."

'Undemocratic'

Alan Bowes, executive chairman of London and Edinburgh Swallow Group - one of the UK's biggest hotel and pub groups - vowed to challenge the ban in the courts.

He is already set to launch a legal challenge in the Scottish Parliament to the smoking ban in Scotland which is due to come into force on 26 March.

Mr Bowes, whose group operates 150 hotels and 700 pubs, said the ban was "undemocratic" because the Labour manifesto had not pledged an outright ban.

"We will fight this all the way to Europe as it will affect children because smokers will simply stay at home and light up in front of their kids," he said.

A total smoking ban is due to come into force in Northern Ireland in April, next year. The Health Bill gives the Welsh Assembly the right to decide for itself whether to implement a ban it has already twice approved in principle.

Three choices

The Cabinet originally proposed prohibiting smoking only in pubs serving food, in line with Labour's election manifesto.

Ministers then came up with three choices: a total ban; exempting private clubs; or exempting clubs and pubs not serving food.

MPs overwhelmingly voted for a complete ban with Prime Minister Tony Blair and Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt effectively voting against their own policy.

In the Commons votes, MPs first ended an exemption for pubs not serving food by 453 votes to 125, a majority of 328, and then to extend the ban to private clubs by 384 votes to 184, a majority of 200.

Shadow health secretary Andrew Lansley said ministers had "put forward proposals which their own backbenchers thought were completely unworkable" but he hailed the result as "a very important step".

And Liberal Democrat health spokesman Steve Webb hailed the result as "good news for the health and safety of people who work in public places."


Now, I'm a non-smoker but I think it's quite mad that smoking is being banned in public places. Sure, I hate the smell of smoke on my skin and in my hair after a night out BUT I expect it. It's part of going out.

Maybe I'm being small minded here (and probably opened a can of worms with this post) ... what do other people think??

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[info]freakspawn wrote:
Feb. 15th, 2006 11:23 am (UTC)
Hmmm well going to NYC quite often where this ban came into place a couple of years ago, I have to say I love it! It actually makes a huge difference being out at night with no smoking in the bars :)

So yeah I am all for it :D
[info]fayet16 wrote:
Feb. 15th, 2006 12:03 pm (UTC)
It's probably a case of giving it a go. But it's part of an evening really going to a bar that's smokey :-s

I can see WHY they are doing it with regards to passive smoking, and appreciarte it.

Will see how it goes ... I may change my mind when it comes into place ;)
[info]dewheatley wrote:
Feb. 15th, 2006 11:31 am (UTC)
A friend of mine put it quite well - having a smoking and non smoking areas of a bar is like having a urinating and an non-urinating part of a swimming pool.
[info]fayet16 wrote:
Feb. 15th, 2006 12:01 pm (UTC)
Having total non-smoking in those bars that sell food I can understand (or even non smoking during those meal times). Yeah, it's mad having 2 different areas as most of the time you've to go through the smoking area to the non-smoking area.
[info]insaniac wrote:
Feb. 15th, 2006 02:18 pm (UTC)
They've implemented that here from a few years back, and its worked out quite well

This is a great idea, and you'll realize it once its in effect
[info]fayet16 wrote:
Feb. 15th, 2006 02:27 pm (UTC)
I'd heard it ham been impleneted in other countries and it is going to be one of those things that's going to be interesting.

Does make me wonder how it's going to affect the pubs trade, especially with the extended hours the government impleneted a few months back.
[info]ryche_156 wrote:
Feb. 15th, 2006 10:02 pm (UTC)
In principle I like the idea as I hate the smell of stale smoke in my hair.
One drawback I can see though is that everyone will just go and stand outside the pub door to smoke and I really don't want to have to push my way through 30 or 40 people, just to get into my favourite pub!
[info]fayet16 wrote:
Feb. 15th, 2006 10:17 pm (UTC)
Eureka! Someone who's thinking just what I'm thinking ... that people will be standing OUTSIDE the pubs to smoke. Which in some ways kinda defeats the object doesn't it??
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